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Followed ya. Letterboxd is a fun way to categorize films. Beware of snobs!

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I left the site a while ago due to snobs. I rejoined due to folks on here.

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If i may ask, what kind of snobs did you encounter?

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I found the Austin Powers collection at the store and got that; hadn’t seen those in a while

I was home alone for a while today and watched the first one ! It was pretty neat

I especially liked the part where they were playing Twister, etc., because they seemed to be having so much fun

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The kind that think anything even remotely mainstream is crap. If it’s based on a pre-existing property it’s crap. If it’s not some pretentious shit about a bloke eating a cheese sandwich filmed in slow motion and at a Dutch angle, it’s crap.

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I left Letterboxd for the snobbery and anti-intellectualism. I find both completely unproductive. And people can like what they like, I don’t care what other people are into. But what did bother me was the number of people who feel it necessary to provide unsolicited commentary on another user’s taste.

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Regardless of if they turn out to be true or not, the absolute vile levels of hate that the rumours of Mila Kunis being the MCU’s Thing are so infuriating!

While the Fantastic Four have never been one of my favourite teams, I still care about the characters - and really all comics - but I fail to see how casting a woman in the role fundamentally changes it so that it “isn’t” The Thing. And I’ve been reading comics since I was 7.

These incel assholes also thought it was fine to bring their hate-filled bile to a post celebrating Mother’s Day.. Seriously?!?

I just don’t understand how people can be so filled with hate and so entitled that they somehow know better than the people who have stewarded almost two decades of successful films.

These pricks actually make me a a little worried of calling myself a comics fan incase I get tarred with the same brush.

You know, I hope Mila DOES turn out to be The Thing and that she does an absolutely amazing job so that these tossers can have their noses rubbed right in it!

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I haven’t heard anything about that rumour, but… I don’t want a woman to be the Thing. I would lie if I’d say otherwise.
I like that character in the comics (I have read just the first ones) and he is a man for me. If they want to give a new rol to a woman, I don’t want they to give it for a male character.

(You are free to correct me if I have misunderstood something)

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But why? Apart from you seeing the character as male because that is what he is in the comics, why can’t The Thing be female? Or really any character? I can not think of a single character from Marvel whose sex is intrinsically linked to their character, and the only ones I can think of from DC are Catwoman and Wonder Woman. (There are several from indy comics, though.)

Note I’m not saying your preference for The Thing to be male is wrong. I totally get that. I’m saying the vile hatred pouring out of others based souly on the possibility of The Thing being female is wrong.

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I can’t honestly say I’ve felt that any character I’ve enjoyed that has had a race or sex change in a film has made less relatable. I love Sandman but none of the changes in the snow bothered me in the slightest, but that’s just me.

I can fully understand people being a little upset. I hate it when they adapt things and the only similarity is the title of the show/film. What’s the point?

The difference is that I don’t spill vile slander and abuse all over the place. It’s that kind of behaviour that I’m talking about here.

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Yeah, I’m pretty sure you’ve misunderstood the whole point of my post. It’s pretty clear in both posts that the thrust of my argument is against vile, hateful comments/ actions.

Yeah, I really don’t see how you got I’m doing that from my posts. I even clearly stated in my reply to Daninokuni that his preference for The Thing to be male is not something I take any issue with. Everyone has the right to their preference. If he had got all toxic about it, that is what I would have had a problem with.

We all play a role in radicalization

I have no idea what you could possibly mean by this statement.

Firstly, because “they’ve always been such and such a sex” I don’t think is a particularly good argument (but it’s separate from preference) and secondly something mattering to you should not then lead to hateful comments, but it almost always seem to.

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I disagree. I think they can be to completely desperate things. I’m simply asking him why he feels The Thing needs to be male. There is not hate in his comment nor did I accuse him of having any. Now, if he had said “he needs to be male because female character are crap,” that would be another matter.

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This is a fallacy that people unfortunately believe and is even sometimes used as a way to try to silence criticism of problematic actions or bad actors. The belief that calling out or being critical of prejudiced or harmful ideas is somehow responsible for further radicalizing people with those ideas is itself naive and potentially harmful. Lots of people don’t like character changes based on gender or race because they have bigoted perspectives. Highlighting or being critical of that isn’t what causes an escalation of hate. There may be people whose reasoning is not tied to prejudice, and that’s not who criticism of this form is aimed at. But the idea that by not tolerating prejudiced or hateful ideology we are making things worse is a dangerous path because it says we shouldn’t stand up to hate. And I think this is in line with what @JoeyPajamas is saying, that a change such as this does not justify hateful vitriol or harassment. If I say “some people don’t like X because they are sexist” it’s because some people are of that position, but it’s also because there are some that are not and it should be simple for people to recognize that calling out those who are hateful doesn’t group those who are not together.

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I’m pretty sure @JoeyPajamas was, so I don’t fully understand the relevance of bringing up comments that aren’t.

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I honestly can’t follow your arguments here. I’ve re-read both our posts and it is pretty clear to me in my writing that I’m talking about bigotry, as BMO says. I didn’t “get mad” at you, but I also can’t see where you’re saying I’ve talking about separate things. To me, your posts read like you think I’m equating having a preference for something as bigotry.

But maybe this is all about language used and the different connotations it has in different cultures/ languages. Such as your quote

Here’s the thing about this conversation:

Which to me, at first reaction, makes it sound like you think you’re way of looking at the situation is the only way.

But then I remember this is an international community.

Not criticising harmful ideas is exactly the problem and is how this kind of behaviour has grown so apparent.

I still have absolutely no idea how you get I’m talking about comments like “I don’t like the new Star Wars” when I literally refer to the comments in question as “vile.”

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Discussing bigots and their opinion isn’t what causes them. It merely identifies them. That’s why I’m saying that idea is a fallacy. It’s akin to the logic that Critical Race Theory causes racism rather than simply being critical of racism and racial inequity. Pointing out prejudiced ideology is not emboldening on the fence actors to become hateful actors. It’s communities of bigots that recruit and actively target this individuals and use rhetoric to vilify people they term “SJWs” and so on as a means to cause alienation.

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Again, you have completely missed the point. I’ve said this is how it came across on first reaction. When you first read it, not having read anything else. That is what “first reaction” means.

Either you did or I miss understand your point.